You Decide!
With a heavy heart I am uploading this note. No. Indignants should be taught what is truth. I am not that decent enough, or may be less tolerant, to tolerate foul and baseless things commented upon me. I open this thread to your judgment. Please sincerely read the whole thing, and then comment. I am not tagging just anyone, but only those who I think is sensible and can judge. And I want judgment, and I demand it in the court of friendship and truth. Moreover, I know I am not doing it right by indulging triviality. I know this note is the most useless one I have ever uploaded, but I am bound by situation and circumstance.
Here is a Poem on Shadow, Haminia, from European culture, your culture. Read this and then think why I am telling this all to all. You could have been little naive on me, asking why I have said so. But you entered into a personal quarrel, and in this you have revealed unconsciously your original estimation about me. I am happy to be disillusioned.
Shadow
"If it won't leave me alone it's no / surprise that I'm shrill /
but to no avail, my shadow / follows me still /
When sunlight reveals my / frown, that only fills it with /glee. /
Yet on a moonlit night it never / fails to locate me. /
Until my shadow appears the / only thing that is true /
appearing in a flash on any wall / within view.//
But increasingly I realize that it is pleasing after all /
to have such a constant companion, then I recall /
that the only times my shadow has left me alone /
have been the darkest times that I have known. /
And so it fills me with delight to have my shadow about /
for it completes my world, without a doubt." - Adam Rulli-Gibbs
Hisham : My main status was:
"A true spiritual teacher does not sit in front of the people, he sits among them. He does not speak to marvel, but listens what is marvelous and then merely passes on. He is not distinguishable by dress and face, but by his behavior and words. Only what is original about him is that he has learnt these truths and has become a child. He can only teach simplicity and nothing else for he too has personal reasons. He is a man who teaches everything that is Godly, without being himself the God. He is not only a man of God, but a man with God."
Tiger :
I like the second thought (the comment) even better than the first.You have my email so send me your quotes, dear son. It is great your collection. I have written poems since I was a child and have collected very few. Sure wish you would write and say the books have arrived. I cannot believe it takes that long for books to go from the US to there.
Haminia :
A man of God, a man with God, a man in God You are. You can teach three times God ! With simplicity and heavenly love not only to the marvelous.
Hennie:
I remember someone who fits the description on the last phrase of your note, Hisham . I can cry a barrel... The man in us is a child awaiting to bloom until it is time .
Hisham:
Sadly mother, now I am waiting like a squirrel wondering when the nut shall fall. Probably 3 months have passed away since you sent the books. First of all, I love you so much, so anything from you is so especial to me. Secondly the things you are sending are 'books', my first love,my drugs. So think how miserable in a condition I am in ... Anyway, pray that they reach me soon. Love you !
Hisham:
Haminia, your words always fuel my enthusiasm. You are like the shadow that walks with me always. Love you ♥
Hisham:
Hennie, my dear, why have you become so silent? These days rarely do you communicate with me. Is there anything wrong? And who is that child you are talking about? Love and Blessings ♥
Hennie:
Been very busy Hisham and your wall was also very hard to catch lately but I am always online though our schedules would not meet...its a song Hisham.... The warrior is a child sang by Gary Valenciano a local Filipino Artist.
- THIS IS FROM WHERE EVERYTHING STARTED
Haminia:
Hisham, take care ! I never am the shadow ! I am Light !
Hisham:
I used the word shadow in the positive sense my dear. No human is without shadow. I wanted to hint at our closeness. Hope you have not misunderstood me.
Haminia:
Hisham ! No negative word can be positive ! What happened to you? I have never ever been anybody's shadow ! And You who say that you are my twin soul... I am not any twin soul's shadow ! I am a good teacher and woman and usually people love me, follow me when speaking about reality. SOULS NEVER HAVE SHADOWS !
You can say anything crosses your mind , you are free to do it, but for mindless people to believe you. Don't ever say such bad thoughts about human beings. Bad will go back to you three times more at least!
Sometimes you are such a god messenger of God's power and other times , when you think with your mind you become selfish and bad intended. All negative energy you send to another won't let you sleep until you ask for forgiveness and recognize your mistake.
I felt so happy for your step towards World , I wanted to write you a beautiful comment for your quotes gathered in an e-book,I have them on my blog when I made your department HISHAM M. NAZER on your birthday but now some things are changed. Are they changed because the success make you blind ? No thinking ?
Hisham:
Ow my God, look how you have misunderstood me... Now I know why this has happened. The reason is cultural gap. Here in our country, or anywhere in Asia, if someone says to someone else that "you are my shadow", it means that the other person never leaves the other one and always remains with him, whether in worry or wonder, like shadow does, because it never leaves us... In Bengali there is a romantic line 'tumi amar chaya' meaning, 'You are my shadow'. Ask anyone, and they will say that it's wonderful, and is rather a best compliment for a friend. I am really hurt the way you have misinterpreted me and have thrown judgment over me. There is no positivity or negativity in words. Our thoughts apply so.
Pardon me for all my bad intended words if really ever I have asserted any. I am really appalled at your reaction. I have changed nothing. If I had really intended to dumb you, or compliment you negatively saying 'you are my shadow', I would never add at the end of my comment 'love you'.
It hurts me how quickly you have judged that I have changed because the success has made me blind. What success? I don't see any! Why making e-books and distributing them for free seems to you as 'success'? Rather I ask you, are you Haminia, who understands me best? At least you could have asked me why I have said so! Anyway, good luck with your good self where I have never thrown any mud. God bless you. Probably I am not a good friend. Now all those compliment for me as a man of God seems vague.
If I have genuinely done any mistake, I will no task for forgiveness to anyone, but GOD himself will judge me for this whether I am wrong or right, and HE TOO won't find a grain of mistake in my intention in calling you my shadow... ah, whatever!
Haminia:
"At first was the Word "! It's from Bible !
The words can be NEGATIVE THAT HURT YOU, AS YOU CAN FEEL IT NOW, OR POSITIVE THAT CAN SAVE A MAN EVEN FROM DEATH !
Your word "shadow" hurt me too much. I have been Light for all around me since my birthday till now ! Good words , prayers, good advice, words in music are healing, living !
Bad words are Negative and hurt everybody. When you said that somebody wanted to kill you, those negative words scared you, hurt you, didn't let you die ! Howe can you say that there is no positivity or negativity in words? All the priests in all churches and mosques in the world teach people to speak nice, lovely,using only good and heavenly words, positive words , all the international psychology teaches the students how to heal people's soul by speaking to them very nice words, positive words !
Also, the Law of Attraction teaches about Negativity which attracts Negativity , bad life, bad sentiments, sickness,poorness and also about Positive words which attract good things, health,welfare, joy , love, happiness ! If you don't know this Universal Rule , you don't know ANYTHING !
How can it be possible ? You write many times about simplicity but you never are simple for anyone. I can understand your thoughts and maybe few others about you didn't tell me they exist, on the contrary.
I gave you good advice some days ago , to study at a famous University from USA, " HARVARD" considering you a brilliant student and you replied me in a totally non polite way , you telling me that I have no idea of education in universities, when I have 11 University teachers from my country selected by me together with which I have been developed a very successful tourism education in Europe where my graduated students work now.
Mr. Rial who has much experience in the international education system appreciated me a lot for my international courses - even if the students are born in Romanian and they live and work in Europe, America or Asia, having double citizenship but who come back home to attend my courses which no universities abroad organize !
Dear Hisham, all these graduated students who work everywhere in the world call me and visit me when they are in the country to thank me for my unique way of education I gave to them who made them very good hotel, restaurant, touristic agencies, pensions managers in Europe and not only.
I didn't want to speak on fb about me, it's not my habit but now, I think that you should know more about me, not very much although.
I know much more about what happens in your university and others but I don't write on fb about them. I don't judge any teacher or student for what he can and what he can not. I just choose my best for me and for all .
You disappoint me because you think that you are right all time, that you are better than all teachers and attack them and many other people with hurting words...This is not compatible with a brilliant student and a God's creation who must love unconditional all the human beings and help them in the same time with your given wisdom. If you apologize I will forgive you. My love for old Hisham I know !"
Hisham:
Well, I don't understand whether I write bad English or you fail to understand my English. Go to that wall post on Rial sir's page and read again. I wrote: 'you've no idea of OUR education system and OUR university, and OUR social and political system'. And how absurd it is that you took my being candid as impolite! I won't further this sentimental piling of words, but must say I'm happy to learn today your 'real' estimation about me. About words, you again have misunderstood me. Try to consult the word 'scoptoma' in a good dictionary (or if you know yourself, that's more than fine). It also means 'the mind sees, hears and reads what it chooses to see, hear and read'. Yes, words are the external recognitions of our inner selves, but it may also manifest without what is contrary to the within. God bless you, and give you understanding.
And before saying anything purely on 'guess' about my comments on teachers, put yourself in my shoes and see the real situation.I'm not that much decent to call some heinous murderers some saints. And you know so well that to exert something with too much certainty without knowing the exact nature of what you're talking about is ignorance. I only speak truth. Ego makes them appear to others as self-judged authenticity and complexity. I wrote the word 'shadow' simply. Alas the complexity has made it to be misunderstood.
Much love to that old Haminia, too.God bless you. The penance takes place only when the accused knows truly his wrong. But there is vast possibility of being accused wrongly. Therefore, I leave the case of forgiveness to God, and only God.
Haminia:
Hisham,
Your absurd and senseless position denies all you have written till now in all your writings. You deny Jesus Christ and Christianity about which you took your courage to write about...YOU DENY YOUR ESSAY ABOUT " TRINITY..."
Saying ...that YOU WILL NEVER ASK FOR FORGIVENESS YOU DENY JESUS AND THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE AND ALL YOUR WRITINGS, ESPECIALLY THAT ABOUT " TRINITY ..." Trinity IS made of God, Jesus and the Spirit.
Jesus was the single human God's son who brought to the History of all religions and to the real life on Earth THE FORGIVENESS AND THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE which you make use in all your writings: "unconditional love and forgiveness" being your favorite words.
You see only what you want to think not my explanations in the previous writings... You try to convince yourself of your being right all time, without taking into consideration that you live in society together with millions of people who can not be obliged by you or anybody to think like you .
By your writings you think that people will be educated by you in all fields of activity .You learned a lot, you read lots of books and you can write everything you want about all the prophets in the world because they were humans and many people knew them and wrote about them and you too.
How dare you teach people about Trinity ? Nobody knows God, Nobody saw the Spirit in Trinity... as about Jesus, you deny Him by your attitude of non forgiveness and self loving.
As you wish, God will show you very soon how wrong you are in your behavior against all the people : teachers, colleagues,friends, family, too many... for such a young man. I hope you don't want to be the second SCHOPENHAUER, about which I wrote a successful essay...
As about me, I always admire and appreciate very intelligent and gifted people but these qualities of the them must be stable not changing , confused and contradictory.
You are free to take all the decisions concerning your life, to respect people and friends or not ! To thank them for helping you and their old love and friendship by ugly words as your " shadow ". Shadow is shadow in Asia, Europe, everywhere.I ask your forgiveness only for this word addressed to whom doesn't deserve it, being your Big Lie or great Error. Everything will be revealed !!!
Hisham:
I'm only left to laugh out aloud! Won't write a single word to make my stand for you'll misunderstand me more. I forgive you . I didn't declare me anything. Nor do I force all to listen to me. You bestowed compliments upon me, and now you yourself are withdrawing them. This is how reality works upon us my dear. We create things, and then, we destroy.
Haminia:
How many spiritual teachers do you know ? When I asked you if you had or have a spiritual teacher, master or guru, you said : NO ! NO ! NEVER !!!
So, how dare you appreciate where a " true spiritual teacher " must sit and what he should speak to the disciples ???
For your knowledge, I know and have more friends spiritual teachers in the world. I know where they usually sit, what they usually speak, when and to whom... but I don't write about them except at their request. When they will read your opinion about them....
Hisham:
Did Jesus had a spiritual teacher? A guru? I'm not Jesus. No. I'm Hisham. No prophets were 'spiritual teachers', but they were salvators. If Jesus had told you about 'spiritual teachers', if he would tell you how a spiritual teacher should be like, when he too had not gone to any spiritual teachers, did not know any, would you behave and comment in the same manner? No, I'm not claiming to be Jesus (that is what you made me in your previous belief and likings in me), but the situation here is nothing different than this ... I'm most sorry to see how you're now descended to personal attack now my dear. I can't believe it's you. May God forgive you.
I didn't give any opinion about them. I haven't said whether they're good or bad. Yes, when they'll read my opinion about them, the honest ones will agree, but those commercial ones will contradict, from the authority they think they have being 'spiritual teachers'. God bless you. Forgive you.
Words are meaningless. It is the intention behind them that makes them meaningful. I wrote a 'shadow' to mean that you're one my friend who'll always be with me till my death, as shadows never leave us till our death. You took the word so seriously and have ignored the intention completely. Alas! Wish I could talk without language!
Tiger:
Hisham and Haminia, you both are so dear to me. I send love to you both. Feel my arm around each of you pulling you side to side, face to face. This is just a misunderstanding about the meaning of words. Know we all see today from the pain and joy of our childhood and our training. Depending on how you look at it a shadow can be playful, funny, scary or negative or postive. When we call something good or bad it always depends on the eyes and feelings of our past that defines it. It can even change within a day. I write of the shadow side in my poems and see it as the negative side that sometimes leads me to the good. At other times I have wrote of the playful shadow always beside me.
Haminia, you have done right to explain your side and Hisham you have done right to explain the way you were using it. Now it is time for soul to soul to take hands in sweet friendship. Hugs to you both, my sweet friends.This is about growth and understanding and you two are on that soul quest path and this was a door open to grow for both. Ask my friend Jaynatha we have often did the same thing and hurt each other dreadful with misunderstood words, but we brought it to the surface, discussed it and grew stronger because of it.
Hisham:
Haminia, be calm my friend, a good soul. I understand your sentiment.But relax, see clearly who is denying Christ? He taught forgiveness, and who's not forgiving now? Me or you? By saying this I don't want to dumb you my dear, but I'm sure something must be disturbing you. Not this shadow, but some prior cause. When Jesus was crucified, he cried- 'father, forgive them; they do not know what they're doing' (Luke 23:34), even when the Pharisees and Scribes did actual wrong to be punished. He asked for no apology my dear. Indeed, who am I to write about Trinity? I'm not a Christian. I'm not white. I live in Bangladesh, a poor country. I have no right to write about Trinity, sure. I apologize for THIS that I've written it. Forgive me. I've showed much openness being a Muslim to write about everything everyone. Forgive me .
Hisham:
Mother, in her anger, she has said enough not to be treated anymore like before. From now on, even if I try my level best to be positive and loving about her, I can never forget how she's abusing and accusing me today, and therefore I can...not anymore, even if I want to, communicate with her normally, for I myself will feel shame and guilty in doing that.
Haminia, I've no personal enmity with you, to the contrary, till yesterday I thought you're one of my best friends. That's why I usually write to you (and mother) little, respond little for I thought you would understand my busy-ness and helplessness. I did respond all others precisely for I thought there is a chance that they would not understand me,and might get upset. But I was wrong. So wrong. May God forgive me now.
Kaniz:
Dear Haminia.. I read all the comments and found Hisham brother really didn't meant you indulgent of trivialities. It is really a complement for a friend and it means to be together forever. The friend who is like shadow never leaves us till our death, as shadows too don't leave us for a single moment.
Dear Haminia, I understand you are hurt but for no reason. All these messes occurred because of cultural gap. And a little girl saying you from her experience that Our distrust is very expensive.... so trust your friend. Love for both of you...
Hisham:
Kaniz dear, that is so sweet (your last request has touched my heart), but how can you make someone listen something when he or she has closed his or her ears with the hand of personal reasons. I can't even say things boldly to her like a close friend. Like we do with our closest friends. We even laughingly say 'you are such a dog'. I wonder, if I had ever said so to her, she would kill me :)) the bond here is so stiff, so formal, so decorum based that even a miss-connotated word appears ugly. Twin soul isn't just a theory, it means the ultimate closeness in friendship.
Tiger:
Kaniz, join hands from one side of the world to the other with mine. I love both of these two so dearly and I know to try to sleep this night will not be sweet for either with misunderstandings between them. My late husband use to pray this... prayer when we two had a misunderstanding and bad time came and it had not been settled with peace for both. Join me with his prayer.
"Dear Father, She thinks she is right. I think I am right, but we both will agree on one thing. We both love you so will you hold this problem until morning so we can hold each other and sleep in peace this night."
Thanks Kaniz, one day when I am in the same need of prayer will you too join the hand of another and pray this pray for me so I too can sleep in peace. There is nothing like a bad night of tossing in unrest. The best thing about having friends is that when one of us is weak we can join and be strong each for the other. Hugs, dear Kaniz that reaches out and takes these two we love in between our hug. Right now my love is bubbling with warm little tears for each of them running down by face and dripping of my chin. Why, because you my facebook family are real to me like blood and flesh of my own.Thanks Kaniz for being my hug sandwich for these two friends. By morning they have go to feel our hugs we have sent during this night.
Haminia
Hisham, I wish you be A SHADOW until the rest of your life ! An Asian shadow which you like so much !
When you will ask for forgiveness for offending me the SHADOW MAY LEAVE YOU ! Do you think that a smart girl like Orin will accept to be your shadow ? I am sure not. This is your Indian men habit : to make slaves and shadows your wives.
It was very hard for you to apologize for offending me with the word SHADOW, to take back that hurting word, one word which had last one minute.
It was not very hard for me almost a year to support you, to help you, to understand you when nobody understood you, to work for your birthday present - department on my blog which you didn't care to improve or to tell your friends that you have it - everybody can watch it: www.rrodia.blogspot.com.Neither you nor anybody know what quotations I wrote there. Without simple visiting the blog and a simple thank you.
You know how to exploit people to work for you for free and then you call them one day " shadow", the second day a snake and the third day you can shout at your friend " fool friend".
It's in vain talking to you until becoming a mature man, some years from now on. Maybe God to guide You .
Hennie:
Hisham and Haminia are indeed friends we can speak heart to heart and eye to eye, I envy this kind of scenario which I could no longer keep up with but rather chase or be chased .
Hisham:
Haminia, probably you expected 'thank you' everyday. You wanted your good deeds towards me to be recognized externally. Have I never posted your blog link on my page? Can you honestly say I haven't? And about those letters I wrote to you ...appreciating your benevolence towards me for creating a department in my name? Do you want me to post all of them here as comments? Now I can see that you helped me to be recognized as a good helper only, for yourself satisfaction as a patron, nothing else. But still I can feel with which noble and tender feelings you tried to help me, I really do.
I'm so sorry to say that you're a racist. It hurts me much to see you only extracting the bad things and ignoring the beautiful sides. Try to see beauty even in things your belief recognizes as ugly. Try to see beyond your social context, and be one with all nations. Orin obviously wants by herself to be my shadow till my death. She's not that much egotistic like you who connotes negatively even things said with positive intention.
A word becomes meaningful upon receiving,upon how you interpret it, and take it. You wanted comment and thanks in your blog? So you never believed when I used to say I go to your blog everyday at least even for once? How do you expect me to comment when the site is in Romanian language that I don't master at? I tried several times but each time I failed to post any comment. And I have told you many times, THOUSAND times,that I use net through my mobile phone that doesn't allow me to do most of the things that can be done through desktop computer.
How many times I have told you that I too can't watch you tube videos through my mobile phone, nor even through my desktop computer because the net speed here is inconceivably slow(download speed 2 or 3 kilo bites per second). Search Nokia 2323 classics in Google, and see how small it is and how limited capacity it has. Please stop this baseless and fruitless quarrel. Even the confirmation of two people aboutthe positive meaning of the word shadow do not give you proof to your misinterpretation. I've nothing to say you anymore.
Nadeem :
I am shocked!
Hisham:
So am I, to my core ...
Haminia:
Hisham, you are not mature yet, you don't think what you say and write, you write just for spending your free and alone time now. As I can read in your last "essay", you are full of HATE and I am shocked as Nadeem said in his comment. I can also discover what is in your head: RACISM !
Hisham:
Thank you for understanding my purpose, as the best twin soul ever on earth.
Nadeem vai, I ask you, why you're shocked? Haminia, please no more comment. Thank you ! God bless you !
Nadeem :
Now both of you please do stop all this mud throwing exercise at each other. Hisham, not a word anymore. Haminia, that goes for you,too. We are only bring harm to each other by engaging in such arguments. Please delete all these stuff.
Hisham:
Show me an instance where I've thrown mud on her, or have underestimated her personally. There is nothing to stop here, because it is simply nothing. I've stopped it long before at the moment when it started, and what I stopped is 'giving way'. As I told that I've no compassion for falsity, andI'll try to make it understand, but when it shall become indignant, I shall stop there. It's not only about personal quarrel. It's about truth. And sad to see that a person blind when happens to stumble, curses the stone.
Nadeem vai, I appreciate this you big-bro type taming. I'll listen to that happily, for I want to end it here, forever.
When required, I only respect truth, not age, mind you! You're not mature enough too to comment upon Mother, that you did several weeks ago, and that I never replied. Before restricting someone, watch your step kindly. Blessings.
Haminia:
If you speak about Racism and you can not sleep because of HATE against all around you: idiot teachers, stupid colleagues threatening you with death ( your words) because they don't understand you , your life in a country like yours maybe influenced your mind...the bad conditions of life as you said, even if I don't believe you having a bad life, all these filled you with the idea of hating the others who are not on the same side with you. Anything you would be able to write after the word " shadow" is the same for me : unconsciousness !
Hisham M. Nazer, maybe You know what is racism very well from your life in Bangladesh but I can sincere say that I don't know its definition at least. So, you make me laugh , my dear. But, seriously I think that it's not good at all for you to hate people and to write such ugly words against them , now against me about who you said and thought we were twin souls ( I still think we are because in a war between you and me I am sure You will not win ).
I am not involved in politics, I don't know about hate and don't hate anybody, I am a simple woman who loves all people appreciating the most those who make efforts to know more about life and of course to respect God's will of love and forgiveness each other and helping each other as I usually do in present, too.
As I can see, you don't respect at all any law of good sense, first of all of respecting a woman who shows how kid you are, it's useless mentioning your faith in God which you prove now unfortunately that He doesn't exist. This is dangerous for you, because you write all time about God and Love and Truth , forgiveness, about all the good things in the world...but YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING , YOU DON'T APPLY IN YOUR LIFE ANYTHING YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT !
I have been working in tourism all my life, and I like only Beauty around me about which I speak all time to my partners ,students and tourists.
You were a Beauty of Intelligence for me which you changed into manifested HATE by calling your best friend "shadow and rasist ". You posted once the photo of your father on your blog. He looks like a very serious father and man and you wrote about him that the didn't love you and was very severe with you, WHY ?
I understood you very well and I also understand you now in the smallest details and I feel sorry for you to behave so ugly at your high level of wisdom....or what happened to you? When I put you a question I only need your confirmation, because I know what are all your deep thoughts about all ...
All the problems of accusation the others and all your sufferings belong to yourself, to your inner, as you always wrote, did you forget it ? Think about yourself, love yourself and only then you will be able to real love the others. Now and in the last months, as I feel you, you are not content of yourself , you are not satisfied with many things and you criticize too many things... you should be helped my dear, I understand you even if you will write next time that I am the sister of Ben Laden or other ugly word.
If I would call you dirty Bangla and I would have explained to you that in my country it means that you are Jesus, would you let things so? When all people read about that? Wouldn't you have asked me to correct myself because the word used is offending ? Or some other word to destroy your soul by its negativity ...
BE SHADOW FROM NOW ON IF YOU LIKE THIS WORD WHICH OFFENDS ME !
Twins are twins not only in love !
Hisham:
Shame! How baseless supposition. Shame! :) Okay, forgive me PLEASE O GODDESS, AND FORGET ME FORGOD'S SAKE! I take all your accusitions as true, and I ask forgiveness from you for that word. NOW ARE YOU HAPPY?! ARE YOU CONTENT!? Funny ...thing is that, any sensible person reading this entire thread will suppose you've gone crazy, for all the things you are saying against me directly go back to you. It seems like you are accusing and cursing your faults applying it in other's countenance. Okay, forgive me for what I said. Forgive me and leave me please. Darkness is welcome when the light scorches the eyes. Be happy with you. If possible, come to our country, I will show what life is here, and why I criticize certain things. Whatever, hope you'll not post a comment more as I've apologized.
Haminia:
HISHAM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TAKING BACK THAT WORD WHICH HAS MANY VERY BAD MEANINGS IN MY LANGUAGE ! I AM ME AND NOBODY'S SHADOW TIMELESS ! MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTAND ONE DAY .I ASKED ONLY THIS AND YOU CHANGED ALL IN SOMETHING VERY UGLY. I HAVE BEEN WORKING IN INTERNATIONAL FIELDS OF ACTIVITY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND HAVE SOME HUNDREDS GOOD FRIENDS ALL OVER THE WORLD, NO MATTER THEIR COLOR OF SKIN, MY DEAR. ONE DAY YOU WILL KNOW IT TOO !
GOD HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE !
Hisham :
Now you are happy when you are satisfied.
Haminia:
You are wrong my dear, it's not satisfaction, it's peace in my soul.You hurt me deep without knowing it, and I asked you in two words to remove that word. That was all I needed. Peace. PEACE ! You wanted the story. I forgive you for everything anytime but I never agree with anybody to lie in public about me ! You, such a good soul but your Ego dictates to him...Twins are souls only. No ego or anything can divide One !
HISHAM ! DON'T WRITE ANYTHING MORE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL. I AM MORE MATURE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE . DON'T TEACH ME BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT TO TEACH ME ! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ! DON'T SPEAK ABOUT JESUS BECAUSE YOU LIE ! THE CHRISTIANS ON FB ARE OFFENDED TOO !!! IF YOU GO ON LIKE THAT YOU WILL BE RACISM'S SHADOW ! STOP ! I ONLY ASKED YOU TO APOLOGIZE FOR AN OFFENDING SINGLE WORD AND YOU DON'T WANT IT ! YOU WILL FEEL IT ...
Hisham :
I wish, I could talk without language, I repeat this !
The only thing I detest in this world is misunderstanding!
Hisham , starting again and not respecting his word ! He asked me to forgive him, some hours ago...unfortunately he likes the show in public, on face book !
Hisham :
I feel like I MUST delete this note before anyone read this ... I don't want an apology. I'm hurt in the depth of my heart to hear my closest friend speaking foul of me. Accuse me if I've wronged. Flog me, crucify me, I won't utter a single ...word, but do it with understanding. I demand nothing more. I'm sorry and feeling guilty for uploading this note. Probably I'm too egotistic. Haminia, I don't want you to tell me sorry, for I know you're not aware where you're wrong. Yes, I could have begged apology quite simply, but after hearing all the real estimation, I felt that there is nothing left to know to feel. It is shattered. I don't want judgment anymore.
Raj :
Leave it, it is a great message for everyone about how we really need to have an open mind when we communicate with each other on facebook. I can only read love in all the comments.
Javanth :
LOVE knows no shadow boxing! Cool down you two wonderful souls! Don't let the ego to have the upper hand .
Kishore :
Truth should be spoken in a pleasing manner. It should never be harsh. It should not hurt the feelings of others. We say, God is omnipresent. No doubt, He is present everywhere. But He manifests Himself wherever Truth is spoken in a sweet & pleasant manner. Truth that is spoken in a harsh manner cannot be called truth at all.
Hisham :
Have I spoken in a harsh manner , dear Sir ? I believe one thing though- Honesty should be to some extent revolutionary.
Therese :
OH, WOW... DETACHment... please!!!! For me... I KNOW how limiting and confusing language & any type of communication is... I KNOW that UNDERSTANDING even myself, let alone others, is NOT of this world... I KNOW that LOVE is all that counts and SILENCE is often the best way to communicate it. I KNOW that I do not want to APOLOGIZE or be asked to APOLOGIZED... because I hold on to ONE value: the GOLDEN RULE... and I ALWAYS do my BEST...this way I am NEVER on the DEFENSIVE with 100's of DEFENSE mechanisms to protect my EGO... the soul is absolutely DETACHED... I do not truly care about defending Jesus or Muhammed or anyone... they do NOT even NEED DEFENSE.
Abu :
Dear Hisham, Once I said to you, "there is no truth in 'original me '. Because our mind or consciousness is reflection of collective consciousness. As such we are indeed all and each of us is shadows and shadows of collective consciousness.... It's ego that pulls us out of the consciousness of oneness. So, there is also no truth in being 'one to one' being shadow to each other. I'm an Asian, a 'poor' Bangladeshi and my culture of "consciousness" is no different from the cultures of the World, because as humans we share oneness of collective consciousness of the humankind.
Rishikesh:
I have no direct experience of being in company with 'spiritual teachers/leaders'. But my parents had had and during my childhood. I did sometimes visit them with my parents. My mother used to visit a female & my father used to visit a male who was also one Yunani Hakim. While my mother's spiritual teacher/leader was follower of Sufi Hazrat Rabeya Basri but my father's spiritual teacher/leader was follower of Sufi Imam Gazzali. They both together with their individual spiritual teachers/leaders used to read lot of books, and prayed together for hours. I found them with groups of companions, and they had been just companions. In fact stating some or one of them as 'teachers/leaders' would not describe proper relationship, as I viewed and remember. For millennia the relation of spiritual teachers/leaders with the people who shared thoughts together are like, 'companions'. That is how this particular relationship has been named, always and they always sat in a circle.
Haminia :
Hisham, I have never thought that you will go on with your LIES and publish again what you selected for your benefit from all the ugly story that You created and wanted to be ! Why, I wonder ? Why didn't you post this time - because you want all people judge your "truth" in fact another of your BIG LIES - your first writing in which you call me your " shadow" ? Why do you hide your first offending and hurting me sentence ? Because you want to make fool of these good people from face book ! Now, You lie them !!! Why ???
WHY DIDN'T YOU POST THIS TIME MY TWO WORDS SIMPLE ASKING YOU TO APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING ME " YOUR SHADOW ?" BECAUSE YOU WISH TO LIE ALL THE PEOPLE AGAIN AND AGAIN ! You want so much me to be your shadow, why ? I asked you to delete this idea from your mind and to apologize for offending me. You refuse a woman who is asking for PEACE IN HER SOUL !
- I AM NOT YOUR SHADOW, CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND IT ? Why do you insist me to be your shadow? Is Orin not enough your shadow, as you said that she agreed to be ?
How many women do you think in your fantasy to be your shadows my dear ? I know that a muslim can buy more women to be his shadows-wives but I am not a muslim and I don't agree with your idea that I be your shadow , slave or "wife" !!! You are out of your mind, dear, what happened to you?
I have never been anybody's shadow in my life and I won't ever be a shadow, what's so hard for you to understand ? In my culture and tradition, my language, to be shadow is very very offending and hurting and much more, why should I explain to you my deep soul suffering to your foolish and selfish satisfaction?
I asked some Indians, men of culture, some hours ago if they would like to be your shadow or somebody's else shadow, telling them to watch all your writings and also my writings, from the beginning to the end - not selected like now by you in which people can not read your sentence against a Christian woman and my very short ask to apologize for your big error you made - and You refused.
You can write as many poems about shadows as you cross your mind that no one will convince me to be your shadow or anybody's shadow.
Are you obsessed by my being your shadow ? Or what ??? I don't need any answer or explanation from you because at the end of some hours in which I asked you to give up your idea you apologized and I felt after all suffering liberated and peaceful.
Freedom is Life ! I want to be free of you and not your shadow !
You posted a picture with a nice child and his shadow, so black, thin and ugly shadow !!! If you like it so much and you continue telling the people to judge you about your obsession of having me your shadow,
you are free to take other women be your shadows or I wonder why did you post that so pure child and his shadow ???
I can' t understand why you want to force me and all the people to agree with you that I should be your shadow !!! I will never understand it but I will always remember it !
I love Linda who tried by all her mind and soul powers to make peace between us saying that she wouldn't sleep until we will be her good friends as we were before some 20 hours when YOU STARTED this
miserable story. I thank her for giving us a prayer to recite , a prayer for peace and understanding people. Wonderful woman , Linda, wonderful friend ! God be with you all time, Linda dear !
I also thank Therese who also tried to make peace and to calm down you and me unfortunately without success . I feel sorry for her and I thank her for being such a great friend in such difficult moments created by your ambition that I be your shadow. I can' believe it happened to me .
A young student who has a girl friend to ask and insist on me, a much bigger woman with family living on other continent, to be his shadow and to explain me by a lot of arguments that it means he wants me to be with him all his life ??? That it means a great compliment ??? Even if I don't agree and I asked him the next minute to ask me for apologize ?
I will never understand him ! Never ! There is another person whose name I don't remember who made a comment for peace and understanding, I thank him or her very much for such a beautiful attitude of universal citizen and friendship.
I ASK HISHAM TO STOP AND DELETE ALL HIS CREATED UGLY STORY
BECAUSE I CAN'T BEAR HIS WRITINGS ABOUT ME, ANYMORE !
PLEASE TELL HIM STOP HIS HARD UNDERSTANDABLE ACCUSATIONS
AGAINST ME FOR NOT AGREEING TO BE HIS SHADOW FOR ALL HIS LIFE AS HE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO ME !? YOU CAN READ IT IF HE DIDN'T DELETE HIS WORDS IN WHICH HE IS TRYING TO CONVINCE ME TO AGREE WITH HIM...TO BE HIS SHADOW ....WHY ?
I ADMIRED HIM AS A BRILLIANT STUDENT BUT IN THESE CONDITIONS I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK. I THOUGHT HE WAS A WISE MAN WHO BELIEVED IN GOD, AS HE ALL TIME WROTE IN HIS WRITINGS ABOUT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, ABOUT FORGIVENESS, ABOUT JESUS AND GOD, ABOUT GOODNESS AND ONLY GOOD THOUGHTS.
I WISH TO HAVE PEACE FROM HIM, TO STOP HIM ! PLEASE !
HISHAM, FOR GOD'S SAKE , STOP !!! - Javanth :
Haminia, Indeed it is funny. I've omitted nothing from the real thread. It is still there. Go and read it again. The poem is not mine. Let all others judge who's accusing whom. I'm sorry for calling you my shadow, for you are not even worthy... to be a friend, let alone twin soul.
It is rather you now who is failing to seek out positivity, because I've already apologized to you for calling you my shadow.- Javanth :
- Dear Haminia... I am not sure how you define the word "shadow". I will write to you in a personal message about my definition of "shadow" as I have studied it in psychology and see if we have the same definition... It is a question of "semantics" you know and religions have nothing to do with it, sweetheart!!! Nevertheless , I am also Christian though not religious but I sincerely think that Hisham meant it as a compliment to you... only as a dear Facebook friend... nothing else!!!
REMEMBER... NOthing can touch your soul...it is your INNER divinity!!!
LOVE and PEACE to you!!!
- Okay, I stop. And Haminia, you're not the only one from Romania. To be frank here, I knew someone from Romania who was more than my friend. Sadly we parted. I asked her yesterday, and she said that in Romanian culture, the word shadow, 'umbra' in Romanian language, carries no intricate negative meaning. So it is obvious that maybe there's some other reason behind your reaction. God bless you.
Haminia : - HISHAM, I AM ME ! I AM NOT ANY OF YOUR SHADOW FRIENDS FROM ROMANIA OR FROM ANYWHERE . WHAT STUDIES HAS YOUR SHADOW WHOM YOU ASKED ABOUT UMBRA ? YOU HAVE APOLOGIZED FOR USING THE WORD SHADOW AND I ACCEPTED BUT YOU PUBLISHED AGAIN WITHOUT ASKING ME IF I AGREE WITH YOUR UGLY STORY , WHY ??? WE HAVE ALREADY ASKED EACH OTHER AND OTHER PERSONS ON FB TO STOP ALL THE COMMENTS ! YOU STARTED AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST ???
BY THE WAY: HAVE YOU SUFFERED IN YOUR LIFE FOR BEING A SHADOW ..OF SOMEBODY ?
IF YOUR MENTALITY OBLIGES ALL YOUR FRIENDS TO BE YOUR SHADOW IT'S TRUE THAT I'M NOT WORTH BEING YOUR FRIEND.
I WILL NEVER ACCEPT TO BE ANYBODY'S SHADOW ! NOT GOD'S SHADOW , BECAUSE HUMAN BEINGS WHO LOVE AND FEEL GOD'S PRESENCE ARE NOT HIS SHADOW. THEY ARE IN GOD AND GOD IN THEM ! NEITHER GOD, NOR JESUS EVER ASKED ANY HUMAN CREATION TO BE THEIR SHADOW.
YOU ARE THE FIRST MAN WHOM I HAVE EVER HEARD TO ASK IN PUBLIC A WOMAN TO BE HIS SHADOW ! NOT ME !!! THIS WILL BE A LESSON FOR YOU !!!
GOD FORGIVE YOU AND GUIDE YOU IN TRUTH. AMEN.
- Hisham, dear friend, there are times and days when no amount of brilliant effort or Earnest heartfelt entreaty can enlighten or cast a shadow upon one who does not want to listen. But each of us by the very act of looking upon that which we do not want will only attract more of it to us. Give it a rest and focus on something that gives you peace and joy. Your pain at being misunderstood will pass. Blessings and all good thoughts with you. ♥
- Muna :
- Hisham this conversation has gone way over board a petty fight over a simple thing . When she can't understand such a simple thing let it go ...let it go!
I can understand much more than you can imagine. My opinion is that I don't agree with your meaning of being the shadow of a man or any other human being's shadow. If you can read again what I wrote you will understand something, maybe. Nobody , neither Hisham nor you have the right to oblige other person to think like You ! It's not a simple thing my dear. Watch CNN and see what happens to the muslim shadows women !!! How foreign governments fight to save them from death, don't you know these small details ??? We don't live in slaves time,at least we in Europe . So, don't comment if you don't know what is the problem about me. You and nobody can oblige me to do what Hisham wants or you.- Maurice,
- Who are you to dare write in public that I " don't want to listen " to Hisham ? Of course, I don't want to listen neither to him nor to you. I am not Hisham's little child or yours. Take care what you speak and with whom . Take care who visits your house. If you listen to everybody!!!
- Haminia , madam, despite cherishing a great respect for your conviction and expressing enthralled appreciation for your concern about the place of the women in an orthodox society (here, I intentionally evade naming any specific religion as you did for I know that any orthodox patriarchal society, irrespective of whatever religious belief they conceive, is a purgatory for a woman), I failed to understand ( may be for I am deprived of the divine wisdom of yours) what your real problem is, what made you so angst and infuriated.
Is it with the word "Shadow" and it's negative impression (well, at least according to your explanation) ??? Or is it just a complex that you are not getting the respect & appreciation as a " spiritual teacher & guide" you deserve from Hisham's end and (a feeling of ingratitude daunting your "enlighten soul " day & night ) ? Or Is it ur heart rending sympathy for those ill-fated, exploited women in a ".............." society that has driven your noble soul to allege Hisham as a representative of the ruthless ,oppressive masculinity of a ".............." country ?
Longing for your kind clarification & elucidation, madam. - My dear Haminia, I understand your anguish against women in Islamic society or any other and thus this out burst. First let me say that both of u are correct from your point of views. Hisham was saying in the sense, that your thoughts and his thoughts are the same, alike,by calling u his shadow,He didn't mean in the sense of suppression or cruelty to you.
There are so many proverbs and saying in metaphor ,that the meaning is understandable ,it is not to be taken word for word.
You on the other hand simply taken offense to his words because you believe that it means cruelty to you.
I don't deny that there are bad as well as good people in every society and religion and unfortunately the media has shown the darker side of society.To look at a society u have to look at both the people the good as well as the bad then an opinion can be formed my dear!
Please read and reread this since in anger you might misunderstand me also!
- I've failed to make her understand. So I think it is no longer possible to do so. She has just gone blind. No, to this type of person, I at least can't show respect. The plight of women is not her concern, for if ...that were so, she wouldn't negatively comment on my writings, which once she relentlessly praised, after my clearing my intention. She has unconsciously opened another dimension of argument where in the line she has completely lost her reason and place. Almost all the accusation she is bestowing upon me, goes back to her in accusing me. Look at her reaction to Maurice's comment. This is her Christian Benevolence. Christ, someone is teaching us Christianity newly here!!!
Her saying that I've no right to write about Christian trinity is irrelevant with her concern about women. So there is some other thing that is disturbing her. I agree shadow doesn't have only the positive meaning, it can mean negative too, like 'the shadow of death'. But when I had instantly clarified that I used the word in positive sense, why then immediately she furthered it into a personal quarrel? I really don't know the answer, and I'm still confused. She says that she talks in metaphor and masters in it, then how absurd it is that she doesn't know that metaphors can have many interpretations! When I clarified my intention, why then she got hostile upon me? What might be the reason?? I'm totally confused. Is there any accidental symbol in the word shadow for her? I suppose there is. Haminia, can you define what metaphor is? And one thing. You've said many time that you're this and that, but honestly, and with a heavy heart I must say that I've not seen ever anything in you that prove your claim. You know, 'poors should be helped' or 'there is a need of change in our social system' sound nice and are high words, but they are different from the carrying out of them, from action. Yes, I of course don't know who you are. Why saying this only, prove it now. Give some demonstrable fact that this is 'you' and you've these powers, divine or social whatever. You've made it bound for me to say all these.
My intention is to destroy the appearance and reveal the truth. How much YOU know dear? How haughtily you go on thinking that ANYONE with whom I've connection knows less than you. What is the 'more' that you know? Tell us. Is your being different in your misunderstanding attitude. Almost everything you've misunderstood. You've not replied any of my comment systematically, but have just piled accusation after accusation. And how DARE you say that- in public I've 'offered' you to be my shadow, meaning to be my wife. Don't make yourself a laughing stock anymore. I wonder, whether you understand English well or not for increasingly and repeatedly you're misunderstanding everyone! And about the word 'shadow', which you ignorantly claim has no place in Christianity, go and check your Bible (which I respect tremendously, but clear it is that you've no respect for ours). Now I can see that you're Christian by belief only, and even do not know Bible by heart. In Bible there are innumerable instances where shadow is used positively. In Psalms mostly. Do you want me to mention definite chapters? Ha? Like I said, I'm not claiming that the word shadow has only and only negative side. But when the speaker clarifies his intention, then why the listener, merely to satisfy her ego, presses on to receive apology? This is sheer ignorance. - TO ALL, sorry I said I would stop, but I can't sit silent when wrong is going on. This is not my ego, for I am not commenting merely to win. I've nothing to prove again. Almost all of you know me very well. But I'm so harsh about wrong accusition and indecency. It is not always ego that works when someone tries to make out something. Like if God comes to you and tells you that- 'I'm supreme than everything', would you say 'oh, you've some ego problem dear God'. I'm trying here to unveil the truth that is hidden behind beautiful words. Though now almost everything is visible.
- Haminia :
- Dear friends, I am not a shadow. I am not a metaphor or a proverb.
I want to be left by Hisham in my peace , he apologized for having offended me, I accepted but after that He started again. If he will write any comment from now on, I will delete him from my circle of face book friends . - When I remember our first meeting on chat when I didn't believe that what had written was not copied from the books... He was crying and asking me to believe him and I told him " I believe you" only to stop him crying because I can't hurt anybody.
I think that all he writes is taken from books, because when I asked him to answer me some simple questions about life - he had told me that he was studying philosophy and asked me to accept him on my circle of friends - he said : " I can't ", his own words ( I have the copy of our chat which I kept because he was the first man who cried for my acceptance as a face book friend and he looked to me very strange ). I accepted in two seconds his request and from that moment till now, I read his writings and I could see too many lines and quotations copied
from all kind of books.
He tried a strategy : to write the opposite to the lines of any book he read. For instance, he wrote about Maria Magdalena from the Christian Bible that she was his close friend and that she was not a prostitute forgiven by Jesus. I asked some Christian priests and told them what Hisham from Bangladesh wrote...and they said that he was lieing and they also asked if he published any book. No, he didn't because he needs to be approved to publish, by specialists. He publishes only on Internet where he is very happy to be praised by all people.
Maybe he has a problem about being believed... if people don't agree with him , if someone doesn't believe him he becomes violent and killer no matter against whom - can be his mother or father, he wrote me once that if his parents died he wouldn't be sorry about them , he would be happy. I asked him how can he say such bad things about his parents and he very happy said : simple ! He is Hisham, who asks from everybody to be understood. Why is he the single on face book to ask from people on the planet that HE BE UNDERSTOOD ??? IS HE ABANDONED BY EVERYBODY IN HIS REAL LIFE ?
I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THIS MUSLIM. IF ALL OF THEM ARE THE SAME, I WILL TAKE CARE FROM NOW ON BECAUSE I HAVE MORE THAN 100 MUSLIMS FRIENDS ON INTERNET, VERY POLITE AND WITH BEAUTIFUL BEHAVIOR WHO ARE WELL EDUCATED IN THE SPIRIT OF RESPECTING ALL THE PEOPLE and of love for God and human beings.
If he always need your help maybe you will do it and after that he will write in public about you injuries.
HISHAM, STOP ! IT'S ENOUGH ! DON'T READ 30 BOOKS OR MORE IN A
MONTH AND THEN LOSE YOUR MIND, YOU ARE CONFUSED , YOU
MUST HAVE A LONG REST MY DEAR ! DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL
YOUR UNIVERSITY ? AND ON FACE BOOK FOR OFFENSE ?
PLEASE STOP !!!
- Hisham :
- Lie lie, lie upon lie. How heinous. It was fine till you were merely adhering your belief, and now you're lying. Don't worry. I'm removing you from my friend circle. Did I really cry to be your friend? How artfully you're telling lie my God...! And yes, post that chat thread here, let all see what were the actual scenario. Or probably you'll edit it before posting. Now nothing is sure of you. Whatever, be at peace. I've no wish to destroy anyone's peace just because I wish to. I'm deleting you this very instance. And it is only you who think these are not my writings. Go get lost with your stupid idea. You speak of liberal thinking, and you yourself listen to priests. How funny. If you dare, show me an example or two from where I've copied my writings. You want to call my university? To tell them I criticize them. Now you've proved how ill willed you too are. Disgusting! Bye. Be happy with your friends.
- Linda :
- Haminia & Hisham, I see 2 wonderful and brilliant people I adore both seeking a better world with more love and peace in it but going about it in all the wrong way. There is two sides to ever coin. See that and admit it. This is what leads ...to wars between countries that makes us kill each other off in the name of peace. All the beautiful things each of you stand for is worthless until your can honor love above the need to be right. Hisham, I adore you but the need to be right is EGO. Truth stands alone. I have been where you are and done the same things and will no doubt in a blind moment do it again. KNow on a soul level each of your actions is a call for love not to be right. It is the ego that needs to be right. Both of you have valid points that are good about the use of the word "shadow." You both need to admit this or all your education is worthless you are no better than the cave man who had no education. Use the differences to draw you closer not put separation between you. Soul is about seeing ourselves as ONE all with the same need (Love) Ego is finding the differences that make us separate.
I could say, as many on FB might be thinking right now, "I am disappointed in you both." but that would be a judgment about myself not you. I see the humanness in each of you. I feel the pain and hurt in each of you. I go to bed and wake up holding each of you in my arms a twins of my own soul. I kiss your little foreheads and see the collective world at large doing the same thing.
My Dad taught me a game as a child that has served me well. Find the good in all people and all situations. The good here is that you both are mirrors not to just each other but the world and each of your FB family and friends of all the growing we still have to do before the world of peace we all work an yearn for will arrive. But remember, both you two and each of us that love you that this can be a time for planting seeds of hope. Peace ALWAYS began within.
We are more than strangers we have become soul family for many months with a common purpose to make the world a better place. We are down in spirit and get up at midnight to reach each others post to find hope, and love.
The real test is here. Have we just been posting quotes and poems or do we really seek Truth, LOVE and Peace. Jaynath you have a good idea. We need to all be silent for a few days (not weeks or months hopefully for we need each other) but go within and see who we really are and what our real goal is. I feel great about this family ours, yes, Haminia & Hisham, you too. These are gRowing pains of the soul and the seeds for a better world lie among this FB family and we will see that they grow. To not do so in this day and time could mean the end of this world (with our access to bombs) as we know it for we now have the ability to wipe all the world out with little disputes like this that get way out of hand. See this as your time, our time to grow... and let us all grow side by side.
I love you dear ones. We have to much at stake as a group as ONE whole for this to go on and on. The time for it to stop is now for to hurt the other is only to hurt the self.- Haminia Haar:
Hisham, take care ! I never am the shadow ! I am Light !
Hisham:
I used the word shadow in the positive sense my dear. No human is without shadow. I wanted to hint at our closeness. Hope you have not misunderstood :)
STOP... STOP... STOP
And then check the meaning of the word "shadow" on the WEB for all cultures... and schools of psychology and philosophy. Besides we let others press our "buttons" [ this is just an expression that means our "sores or sensitive areas" in our EGO or "shadow" actually] .
Shadow has many meanings.... and it is in our SHADOW that we must explore to find the most precious jewels that are hidden there... our "sores can enRICH us tremendously.Let's immunize ourselves to "reactions" by reducing the # of "buttons" we have... At least that is what I did in my growth and journey...but I am OLDer, it takes TIME...LOVE and RESPECT to All !!!
- Rial :
- My dear Hisham and Haminia:
First of all, I am pleased to have seen the transparency in a budding relationship between two good souls. Let me share with you all my analysis of the development. A cultural tenet in one area can be a cultural taboo in another with a total different sense. One of them is the crossing of legs, when sitting with a stranger for the first time in a professional setting is a welcome in the West but a slap in the Middle East. I would say that comparing someone a "Shadow" as per Asian culture, is someone very close who is always by his side at all times in good and bad times. Therefore, I can safely conclude that Hisham did not have any ulterior motives, when he had used the word "Shadow". Knowing Hisham tells me that he does not harbor any hatred towards anyone including his critics. That is what I have learnt of him through the days of ours being friends.
In the European culture, "Shadow" is a body waiting on the wings to overtake the incumbent. Like the shadow cabinet in the UK. There are no derogatory meaning of the word shadow nor any sub-standards. Hisham's notion of the word has been to demonstrate the closeness of the two souls and not to degrade you Haminia. Please give him the benefits of doubt and have an open mind to understand from him what he really meant. He seems to have done a good job with his explanation so far. Do not cut a budding friendship between two souls. Give it enough time to understand each other better.
I would suggest the following as I always do to friends and family. Refrain from any direct communication for a week, then at mid night, spend some time meditating and while meditating, think of the other side and the good moments you both had. Forgive the other side for whatever they seem to have meant in good or even bad faith. Pray to the Creator for a sense of good will to prevail and then have a deep sleep. Talk directly to someone that you both love and respect and open yourself up about your feelings...That should do the work.. - Wonderful dear Rial ! Funny, regarding "crossing of the legs"... did I have problems with this in Thailand, esp. if my foot pointed to someone as I dangled my right foot back and forth rhythmically... but then they knew that I was a foreigner and laughed!!! Though for certain things we can end up in JAIL!!! HEE HEE!!! Next time I travel I'll read more about the culture beforehand so that I do not insult anyone inadvertently and innocently!!!
- Rial :
- I am sure you did. One thing is very intriguing to see how a posture can have different meanings to the humanity in different cultures and races. I wonder, how did they develop in the first place. must be a good thing to research. Dangling the foot can have serious repercussions and consequences in the Middle and the Far East. I have traveled quite widely and have learnt about several cultures. I am sure so have you...One things I have seen to be common and that is a smile...It can have the unnerving impact on the other...
- Therese :
- Tiger and Rial...what maturity and unconditional LOVE... your comments above are a therapeutic BALM for the heart!!! All my LOVE and gratitude!!!
- Tiger :
- Therese, we have all become a family of soul and feel each others needs and pains as our own. Just as you do we love these kids as if they are twins of our own for indeed in soul we are all ONE>.
- Exactly/ Exactement/ Exactamente/......SOOO TRUE... you are adorable!!! We will continue LOVING... if FEELS so good!!!
- Hisham :
- Love and blessings to Mother, Therese dear, and Rial sir. I'm sorry for what I've done today. It is not likely that I'm feeling WONDERFUL by uploading this note and criticizing Haminia bitterly. I've no personal gain in this, rather I'm aware that some would consider this my approach as egotistic. But you know what, personally I feel that truth should be revealed, no matter how much harsh it is. Honestly should have in it some degree of revolutionary spark. About positivity, I don't know whether I'm absolutely optimistic or not, but sorry I can't call poison some lemonede. Can't call falsifiers some saints. Can't call hypocrites some divine soul. It is perplexing that how many masks we wear when we communicate. Rial sir have met me personally, physically, not only over net when he came to Bangladesh. (and yes I'm geographically from Bangladesh, not Pakistan though all the nations are my country). Hope he knows, to some extent, the real me. I'm so sorry for how falsely Haminia has alleged me of many fabricated story. Honestly speaking, though I found in her sparks of good soul previously, but now as I've learnt with what perception she had done to me pretentiously all those good things, I don't find her honest at all. She's deceived herself from honest truth. Ah, heaven! I don't want to speak of these anymore! Peace be upon all.
Love and blessings to Mother, Therese dear, and Rial sir. I'm sorry for what I've done today. It is not likely that I'm feeling WONDERFUL by uploading this note and criticizing Haminia bitterly. I've no personal gain in this, rather I'm aware that some would consider this my approach as egotistic. But you know what, personally I feel that truth should be revealed, no matter how much harsh it is. Honestly should have in it some degree of revolutionary spark. About positivity, I don't know whether I'm absolutely optimistic or not, but sorry I can't call poison some lemonade. Can't call falsifiers some saints. Can't call hypocrites some divine soul. It is perplexing that how many masks we wear when we communicate. Rial sir have met me personally, physically, not only over net when he came to Bangladesh. (and yes I'm geographically from Bangladesh, not Pakistan though all the nations are my country). Hope he knows, to some extent, the real me. I'm so sorry for how falsely Haminia has alleged me of many fabricated story. Honestly speaking, though I found in her sparks of good soul previously, but now as I've learnt with what perception she had done to me pretentiously all those good things, I don't find her honest at all. She's deceived herself from honest truth. Ah, heaven! I don't want to speak of these anymore! Peace be upon all.
- Therese :
- The good side is that I am trying to learn more about BOTH sides' cultures and "collective unconscious" in order to understand better!!!
- Hisham, my heart goes out to you, and reading all this has brought me to tears because I love you very much. I understand, and I know you are hurting to see your friendship with Haminia torn apart by her unresolved pain and unrealistic expectations.
- NOW I see why the first agreement of Don Miguel Ruiz ' " The Four Agreement" book.
1. Be Impeccable with Your Word...
2. Don't Take Anything Personally...
3. Don't Make Assumptions...
4. Always Do Your best...
THAT is a very practical book!!!
- Tiger :
- Great book Therese. I have taught this in a course before but even better is his book on the Mastery of Love.
- YES, I have that one too ...right besides me!!! Sometimes I like to reread the parts I LOVE and practice until it becomes a VISCERAL and NATURAL way of BEing!!! Have a good sleep!!!Did you hear about the BEDBUGS in New YORK city?
- I just wanted to provide that Haminia's mental position, and noted support with regard to your article (commentary) on Mary Magdeline; is not the prevailing thought in Christian religion nor it's many denominations.
The Eastern Orthodox Church maintains that Mary Magdalene, distinguished from Mary of Bethany and the "sinful woman", had been a virtuous woman all her life, even before her conversion.
There's an interesting and complicated story with regard to the confusion and misrepresentation in the Catholic Church. However, In 1969, the Catholic Church admitted what critics had been saying for centuries: Magdalene's standard image as a reformed prostitute is not supported by the text of the Bible.
Anglican and Lutheran Christians revere her as a saint, while other Protestants honor her as a highly respected apostle, disciple and friend of Jesus.
Also, I can't remember if your article included any of the well known speculations of historians and scholars, or if that information just came up in the comments? Anyway, there was nothing that could be considered offensive or untrue in your article.
- All this is not just about the shadow. It's about letting down and consequential words in sheer desperation!
- Therese :
- That is what we call " crazy making" things were really getting confusing and as Dr. Phil says: "What are the REAL issues under all that?" A tempest in a teapot... due to ONE word as "shadow" uttered with kindness actually !!! I would not have cared less no matter how it was said. NOW , I'm going to BED, good ?
- Haminia :
I KNOW THEY ALL ARE LIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM, THEY ARE SHINING LIKE SUN AND SPREAD THEIR LIGHT TO THE OTHERS WHOM THEY TEACH , THEIR STUDENTS, WITH THEIR HIGH LEVEL WISDOM AND SOCIAL POSITION IN ALL THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY LIVE.
I ALSO KNOW THAT NO ONE - OF THOSE MENTIONED WHO MADE COMMENTS - WOULD ACCEPT TO CHANGE THEIR BEING LIGHT WITH THAT OF BEING A SHADOW. NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT TO BE CALLED SHADOW WHEN THEY ARE LIGHT.
IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE TWO - SUN AND SHADOW - WHEN THEY ARE LIGHT AND ONE OF THEIR STUDENTS CALL THEM " SHADOW ". I CAN EXPLAIN TO EACH ONE BUT NOT HERE. IT'S TOO MUCH TO EXPLAIN FOR EACH ONE BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, DIFFERENT CONTINENTS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT TRADITIONS AND TRADITIONS, DIFFERENT RELIGION AND SOCIETIES.
HISHAM WANTED TO DESTROY MY PERSONALITY, ALL MY LIFE WORK, MY FAITH IN LIFE AND GOD !
WHY ? BECAUSE OF HIS MUSLIM AMBITION OF MAKING A WOMEN HIS SLAVE, HIS SHADOW, HIS SECOND TOOL BECAUSE HE, THE BIG MAN, MUST BE THE LIGHT OF THE SUN AND THE WOMAN DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, TO THINK OR TO LIVE FREE !
HISHAM, AS A MUSLIM GOOD STUDENT, DOESN'T ACCEPT THAT A WOMAN LIKE HAMINIA WHO IS A TEACHER, A MANAGER WHO REALIZED A LOT IN HER LIFE CAN BE MORE THAN HIS SHADOW,HIS SLAVE !
THE MUSLIM WOMEN EVEN IF THEY STUDIED AT THE UNIVERSITY, AFTER MARRIAGE, MUST STAY AT HOME, COOK AND TAKE CARE OF THE ENDLESS CHILDREN AT THE SHADOW OF THEIR HUSBANDS WHO WANT TO BE THE SUPREME SUN OR GOD, WHO CAN USE THEM OR KILL THEM IF THEY CROSS THEIR MIND !
THE MOST OF THOSE WHO COMMENTED ABOUT HISHAM'S INSULT AGAINST ME ARE MUSLIMS OR ARABIANS AND THE READERS CAN EASILY CONFUSE THINGS.
IN THE FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES THE WOMEN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS, THEY CAN BE TEACHERS OR PRIME MINISTERS , THEY CAN BE THE LIGHT ! NOT THE SHADOW OF THE MEN .
I DON'T ACCEPT TO BE A SHADOW ! I AM THE LIGHT !
Mark :
Well Haminia,
Thank you for your detailed explanation of the relationship between you and Hisham. Though I had not read much of it earlier, I all along sensed that you were supporting him. The way in which Hisham used the word 'shadow' in that context was that you are 'following' him. That I understood instantly (others didn't).
He is young, gifted, scholarly....but there's something missing in him....may be he is very young and inexperienced in the affairs of life, and let's hope he will understand it one day. Let's wish him all the best, that's all we can do now!
Love your being Haminia!
Javanth :
Haminia,
I know all your comments are the result of Hisham letting you down which he knows from the bottom of his heart despite all his defensive writing that he is right ! I think this nobody understood, except perhaps Linda. Never mind, all the best to you!
Cliff :
We have been drawn throuh fb to here and now for reasons we don't understand, otherwise how could it happen ? I don't believe in coincidence or accident.
You have amazingly good English, which I'm glad so we can communicate very well. I try not to ever judge people, I believe in God whom I call oneness, because we all share his life force. Please treat me as your loving caring brother, for this I believe is true.
Now, that muslim who self deleted ? One can 'deactivate'-disappear then come back. But this doesn't matter, because his adverse reaction to your statement was because u spoke truth, and the truth Often hurts, because it makes us look at the lie we've been denying. In his case, I suspect he inwardly realizes you are opposite to his programmed belief system. You Did upset him by through love, through the truth. He upset you through invalid dogma.(That maybe once was valid. Maybe or not, but not Now.
There is a world wide tide of change we are just seeing thanks to internet.
Changes =evolution=growth=eventual prosperity=peace, in that future century when ALL are fed clothed and educated. Then we will be unified(mostly)as a human race. I hope in year 3000 we will have one religion of love, celebrating diversity of choice and acceptance.
In 2010, we are still learning. The typical human has great Misundetstanding of our connection with God. Greed has made our rulers strong for too long, we are plugged into the new world.
Einstein: #47: live or live like you're dead. #182 way of saying the same thing"optimist or pessimist. Ha,ha ! So many ways to say "love or absence of Love / light / yin. We have so many words ~yet still not enough to describe WHY Haminia and Cliff are connected here and now ! Isn't this a Miracle ! I know you know what I'm saying. You are ready to Be the lovebeing inside your heart of hearts,to Be.
You Are already that in truth. You ARE LIGHT ! What do You Think God Is ?
I love this adventure of life - love it all, good and bad. Byeee !
Therese :
Of course, it is NOT my STYLE to be submissive and lose myself since I respect myself!!! Besides nobody can control and subdue me by his words, esp. long-distance... I feel too FREE and self-confident for that to happen... Most young, modern..., evolved men though are not asking for that. My son is wonderful and treats his wife with respect as do most of my carefully chosen friends on Facebook. Nevertheless we can be STUCK on SEMANTICS and cultural "SHOCKS" since words can be interpreted in a multitude of ways!!! We are contacting people from all over the world with such different "worldviews" and "etymology linguistically" so TOLERANCE is needed. The ESKIMOS have 20 words for different kinds of "snow" but I have only ONE in French [ neige], ONE in Spanish [nieve] and ONE in English [ snow]... We all want LOVE and RESPECT... but we all have a SHADOW [... the other kind of shadow...] the one where we go at times [ in our wounds and fears] and come back out enRICHed... hopefully !!!
Linda :
I will continue to send healing love for you both. Sometimes these things take a little while to heal. Go within thy own-self for now and ask Spirit to comfort and heal you. One can only be responsible for one's self. Know all relationships are about the soul's growth. You picked each other out for the growth of your souls. Ask spirit what it was he came to teach you and for strength to learn the lesson. Other wise you will repeat the lesson again with another just like him. Know all his actions are a call to be love and when you look at it that way you will not take the hurt so personally.
You both have so much to offer the world with your brilliant minds and warm hearts. What a shame to see it end this way.... but you can only be responsible for yourself not him. Choose to use this time to grow. Know I will continue to hold you like a mother would her crying child near my heart.
Rial :
First of all, I am pleased to have seen the transparency in a budding relationship between two good souls. Let me share with you all my analysis of the development. A cultural tenet in one area can be a cultural taboo in another with a total
different sense. One of them is the crossing of legs, when sitting with a stranger for the first time in a professional setting is a welcome in the West but a slap in the Middle East.
I would say that comparing someone a "Shadow" as per Asian culture, is someone very close who is always by his side at all times in good and bad times. Therefore, I can safely conclude that Hisham did not have any ulterior motives, when he had
used the word "Shadow". Knowing Hisham tells me that he does not harbor any hatred towards anyone including his critics. That is what I have learnt of him through the days of ours being friends.
In the European culture, "Shadow" is a body waiting on the wings to overtake the incumbent. Like the shadow cabinet in the UK. There are no derogatory meaning of the word shadow nor any sub-standards. Hisham's notion of the word has been
to demonstrate the closeness of the two souls and not to degrade you Haminia.
Please give him the benefits of doubt and have an open mind to understand from him what he really meant. He seems to have done a good job with his explanation so far. Do not cut a budding friendship between two souls. Give it enough time to understand each other better. I would suggest the following as I always do to
friends and family.
Refrain from any direct communication for a week, then at mid night, spend some time meditating and while meditating, think of the other side and the good moments you both had. Forgive the other side for whatever they seem to have meant in good or even bad faith. Pray to the Creator for a sense of good will to prevail and then have a deep sleep.
Talk directly to someone that you both love and respect and open yourself up about your feelings...That should do the work.
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I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGH LEVEL TEACHERS OR THINKERS DON'T UNDERSTAND
THE MEANING OF BEING THE LIGHT OF THE SUN OR THE SHADOW.
I KNOW THEY ALL ARE LIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM, THEY ARE SHINING LIKE SUN AND SPREAD THEIR LIGHT TO THE OTHERS WHOM THEY TEACH , THEIR STUDENTS, WITH THEIR HIGH LEVEL WISDOM AND SOCIAL POSITION IN ALL THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY LIVE.
I ALSO KNOW THAT NO ONE - OF THOSE MENTIONED WHO MADE COMMENTS - WOULD ACCEPT TO CHANGE THEIR
BEING LIGHT WITH THAT OF BEING A SHADOW. NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT TO BE CALLED SHADOW WHEN THEY ARE LIGHT. IF THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE TWO - SUN AND SHADOW - WHEN THEY ARE LIGHT AND ONE OF THEIR STUDENTS CALL THEM " SHADOW "
I CAN EXPLAIN TO EACH ONE BUT NOT HERE. IT'S TOO MUCH TO EXPLAIN FOR EACH ONE BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, DIFFERENT CONTINENTS, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT CULTURES, DIFFERENT TRADITIONS AND TRADITIONS, DIFFERENT RELIGION AND SOCIETIES.
HISHAM WANTED TO DESTROY HAMINIA'S PERSONALITY, ALL HER LIFE WORK, HER FAITH IN LIFE AND GOD !
WHY ? BECAUSE OF HIS MUSLIM AMBITION OF MAKING
A WOMEN HIS SLAVE, HIS SHADOW, HIS SECOND TOOL BECAUSE HE, THE BIG MAN, MUST BE THE LIGHT OF THE SUN AND THE WOMAN DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK, TO THINK OR TO LIVE FREE !
HISHAM, AS A MUSLIM GOOD STUDENT, DOESN'T ACCEPT THAT A WOMAN LIKE HAMINIA WHO IS A TEACHER, A MANAGER WHO REALIZED A LOT IN HER LIFE CAN BE MORE THAN HIS SHADOW,HIS SLAVE !
THE MUSLIM WOMEN EVEN IF THEY STUDIED AT THE UNIVERSITY, AFTER MARRIAGE, MUST STAY AT HOME, COOK AND TAKE CARE OF THE ENDLESS CHILDREN AT THE SHADOW OF THEIR HUSBANDS WHO WANT TO BE THE SUPREME SUN OR GOD, WHO CAN USE THEM OR KILL THEM IF THEY CROSS THEIR MIND !
THE MOST OF THOSE WHO COMMENTED ABOUT HISHAM'S INSULT AGAINST HAMINIA ARE MUSLIMS OR ARABIANS
AND THE READERS CAN EASILY CONFUSE THINGS.
IN THE FREE AND DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES THE WOMEN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS, THEY CAN BE TEACHERS OR PRIME MINISTERS , THEY CAN BE THE LIGHT ! NOT THE SHADOW OF THE MEN .
HAMINIA DOESN'T ACCEPT TO BE A SHADOW !
SHE IS THE LIGHT !
Well Haminia,
Thank you for your detailed explanation of the
relationship between you and Hisham.
Though I had not read much of it earlier, I all
along sensed that you were supporting him.
The way in which Hisham used the word 'shadow' in
that context was that you are 'following' him.
That I understood instantly (others didn't).
He is young, gifted, scholarly....but there's something
missing in him....may be he is very young and
inexperienced in the affairs of life, and let's hope he
will understand it one day.
Let's wish him all the best, that's all we can do now!
Love your being Haminia!
Haminia,
I know all your comments are the result of Hisham
letting you down which he knows from the bottom of
his heart despite all his defensive writing that he is right!.
I think this nobody understood, except perhaps Linda.
Never mind, all the best to you!
J.B.
We have been drawn throuh fb to here and now for reasons we don't understand, otherwise how could it happen ? I don't believe in coincidence or accident.
You have amazingly good English, which I'm glad so we can communicate very well.
I try not to ever judge people, I believe in God whom I call oneness, because we all share his lifeforce.
Please treat me as your loving caring brother, for this I believe is true.
Now, that muslim who self deleted ? One can 'deactivate'-disappear then come back.
But this doesn't matter, because his adverse reaction to your statement was because u spoke truth, and the truth Often hurts, because it makes us look at the lie we've been denying. In his case, I suspect he innwardly realises you are opposite to his programmed belief system. You Did upset him I thru love, thru the truth.
He upset you thru invalid dogma.(That maybe once was valid. Maybe or not, but not Now.
There is a world wide tide of change we are just seeing thanks to internet.
Changes =evolution=growth=eventual prosperity=peace, in that future century when ALL are fed clothed and educated.
Then we will be unified(mostly)as a human racew.
I hope in year 3000 we will have one religion of love, celebrating diversity of choice and acceptance.
In 2010, we are still learning.
The typical human has great Misundetstanding of our connection with God.
Greed has made our rulers strong for too long, we are plugged into the new world.
Einstein: #47: live or live like you're dead.
#182 way of saying the same thing"optimist or pessimist. Haha ! So many ways to say "love or absence of Love / light / yin
We have so many words ~
~yet still not enough to describe WHY Haminia and Cliff are connected here and now !
Isn't this a Miracle ! I know
you know what I'm saying. You are ready to Be the lovebeing inside your heart of hearts,to Be.
You Are already that in truth.
You ARE LIGHT !
What do You Think God Is :D
I love this adventure of life - love it all, good and bad.
Byeee !
Cliff - CA
Of course, it is NOT my STYLE to be submissive and lose myself since I respect myself!!! Besides nobody can control and subdue me by his words, esp. long-distance... I feel too FREE and self-confident for that to happen... Most young, modern..., evolved men though are not asking for that. My son is wonderful and treats his wife with respect as do most of my carefully chosen friends on Facebook. Nevertheless we can be STUCK on SEMANTICS and cultural "SHOCKS" since words can be interpreted in a multitude of ways!!! We are contacting people from all over the world with such different "worldviews" and "etymology linguistically" so TOLERANCE is needed. The ESKIMOS have 20 words for different kinds of "snow" but I have only ONE in French [ neige], ONE in Spanish [nieve] and ONE in English [ snow]... We all want LOVE and RESPECT... but we all have a SHADOW [... the other kind of shadow...] the one where we go at times [ in our wounds and fears] and come back out enRICHed... hopefully !!!
Therese L.
I will continue to send healing love for you both. Sometimes these things take a little while to heal. Go within thy ownself for now and ask Spirit to comfort and heal you. One can only be responsisble for one's self. Know all relationships are about the soul's growth. You picked each other out for the growth of your souls. Ask spirit what it was he came to teach you and for strength to learn the lesson. Other wise you will repeat the lesson again with another just like him. Know all his actions are a call to be love and when you look at it that way you will not take the hurt so personally.
You both have so much to offer the world with your brilliant minds and warm hearts. What a shame to see it end this way.... but you can only be responsible for yourself not him. Choose to use this time to grow. Know I will continue to hold you like a mother would her crying child near my heart.
Love Tiger
First of all, I am pleased to have seen the transparency in a
budding relationship between two good souls. Let me share
with you all my analysis of the development. A cultural tenet
in one area can be a cultura...l taboo in another with a total
different sense. One of them is the crossing of legs, when sitting
with a stranger for the first time in a professional setting is a
welcome in the West but a slap in the Middle East.
I would say that comparing someone a "Shadow" as per Asian
culture, is someone very close who is always by his side at all
times in good and bad times. Therefore, I can safely conclude
that Hisham did not have any ulterior motives, when he had
used the word "Shadow". Knowing Hisham tells me that he does
not harbor any hatred towards anyone including his critics.
That is what I have learnt of him through the days of ours being
friends.
In the European culture, "Shadow" is a body waiting on the
wings to overtake the incumbent. Like the shadow cabinet
in the UK. There are no derogatory meaning of the word shadow
nor any sub-standards. Hisham's notion of the word has been
to demonstrate the closeness of the two souls and not to degrade
you Haminia.
Please give him the benefits of doubt and have an open mind to
understand from him what he really meant. He seems to have
done a good job with his explanation so far. Do not cut a budding
friendship between two souls. Give it enough time to understand
each other better. I would suggest the following as I always do to
friends and family.
Refrain from any direct communication for a week, then at mid
night, spend some time meditating and while meditating, think
of the other side and the good moments you both had. Forgive the
other side for whatever they seem to have meant in good or even
bad faith. Pray to the Creator for a sense of good will to prevail
and then have a deep sleep.
Talk directly to someone that you both love and respect and open
yourself up about your feelings..........That should do the work...
R.A.
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