CONVERSATION ABOUT DR. HAHNEMANN'S HOEMOPATHY IN 2012

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  Haminia:

  
  

  What is not proved scientifically ? Dr. Hahnemann proved everything. If the others don't understand his ideas, who is guilty ? Homeopathy cures the people ! What other explanations ? I know 2 questions : 1. How does the homeopathy work ? 2. How the homeopathic remedies last so long and cure the disease permanently ? As I read, some homeopathic physicians cure the people and they are still asking what they are practicing...If they know how they work why are they not able to explain to all the others especially to the allopathic doctors the laws of Homeopathy ? Why an Indian Nobel Prize winner who is not a homeopath is let to attack the Homeopathy in Public without other public and official reply from the International Association of Homeopathy or just the Indian Association of homeopathy ? Is the interest for science lost for ever ?? Doubting our believes means searching for the Truth and this is very good to understand God, the Creator of All .

  
  
• Ravinder M.
  

  Madam when anyone take and use words God and Religiousness, while talking and explaining the science it means there is some lacuna in subject. Principle of Vital force, Miasm, Dynamization all these concepts which are explained by Hahnemann, is any how they are possible to prove on scientific terms and methodologies, and if possible why not any body of homeopaths do it practically and it will stop people to questioned about reliability of Homeopathy.Boasting and explanation are two different terms, i doubt about what we are actually doing?? Is anyone else too?

  
  
• Ravinder M.
  

  Homeopathy works wonderfully but it is inexplicable that how it works, the concepts and hypothesis presented in literature are not possible to prove, we are not in position to give any hypothesis or theories to explain it on present scientific facts. Is it not better to say that we know it works but dont know how it works, rather than giving hypothesis which are in themselves confusing and unproven?
  Why to complicate a simple subject by just making speculations, if we have no facts.

  
  
• Haminia:

  Dear dr. Ravinder, how can you explain scientifically your breath ? Is there a lacuna somewhere on God's Creation ? Albert Einstein said that he " couldn't have discovered anything without being allowed by God to use His Mind ". The physicians are not able to understand homeopathy from the scientifically point of view because they didn't study Physics, Metaphysics, Synergy, Psychology, the Law of Attraction in Universe, Spirituality. Dr. Hahnemann knew all of them. Now when a single man can not understand all of these, Homeopathy should be explained by many experts in different disciplines of science. How great man is Hahnemann !!!

  
  

  Ravinder. M:
  

  Either we can explain breath or not, but it is sure we can not explain homeopathy, how it works, and that is the simple, plain and direct question here. Quotations from Einstein,and Great work of Hahnemann( that was relevant and far ahead of his time) is not an answer to irrelevancy of hypothesis given to explain homeopathy.
  And we are raising fingers on scientists that they are from another stream and questioning over scientifically of homeopathy, but what we are doing? Human is a product of evolution but we homeopaths are still believing that GOD the CREATOR made us.We are giving foolish statements which are beyond the scientific realm, and we want that scientific world should accept Homeopathy as science.
  Is our approach , seems scientific???

  
  

  
  

  Haminia 

   I think that Homeopathy is a very scientific science, much more than the others...It must be proved by many men of science not only by one homeopath. Do you believe in Darwin's theory when you say that "human is the product of evolution" ? What evolution ? Of the matter only ? No man of science and no science were able to prove more than the flesh and blood we humans have. All the old and new researchers from the oldest times till nowadays couldn't say where from we have the breath and vital force without which we are not able to live. What is your theory about the evolution of the humans ?

  
  

  Ravinder M :

  Why we need hypothetical theories to prove homeopathy. If we have no realistic concepts

  and theories how homeopathic medicines work, then it means not that we should present

  hypothesis, these hypothesis are in themselves present homeopathy as an unscientific.

  
  

  Abdus S :

  Ravinder Mann sir, How it is Hypothesis ? You never see these in your daily practice

  life. What is your experience about NATURAL DISEASE AND ARTIFICIAL DISEASE AND STRONGER AND WEAKER ? IF you have any experience with this aphorism, please explain to us to understand easily. Before any comments of this context, we should need to know your difference between meaning of hypothesis and Natural law. SIR, it is

  natural law, not hypothesis. AND we could see that your all comments are with intuition of negative thoughts. PLEASE make clear your intuition of comments clearly and if you have good hypothesis/good laws and ideas, please share and if you don't have, than please don't make confuse us with this beautiful science. Your all comments are not acceptable by people who know homeopathy.

  
  

  Haminia :

  I think that Homeopathy is a very scientific science, much more than the others. It must be

  proved by many men of science not only by a homeopath. Do you believe in Darwin's theory when you say that "human is the product of evolution"? What evolution ? Of the material only ? No man of science and no science were able to prove more than the flesh and blood we humans have. All the old and new researchers from all times till present couldn't say where from we have the breath and the vital force without which we are not able to live. What is your theory about the evolution of the humans ?

  
  

  Abdus S :

  Sir, here is a comment of you which is not acceptable by Us.  We are not acceptable while talking and explaining the science that it means that there is some lacuna in subject. Principle of Vital force, Miasm, Dynamization, all these concepts which are explained by Hahnemann, please explain us whereare the lacunas and how ? If you think it has lacunas that means that you have no clear conception and you don't correlate with the ORGANON OF MEDICINE and with your practice life. It's better to avoid your wrong acceptance of Organon of medicine.  Please, do not be in contradiction with the Aphorisms of Organon without practical experience and correlation with daily practice. If you think that lacunas are  

  in the principle of Vital force, dynamisation, miasm which are soul principles of Homemopathy, it means that you have some missing in understanding our Science, Homeopathy.

  
  

  Ravinder M:

  It is the first line defense which every homeopath posses, whenever anyone questioned

  on vital force, miasm and dynamisation, it is easy to say that you are questioning because you do not understand the concept. You don't know that's why you are showing fingers.

  Dear Abdus Sahid Sir, where exactly Psora is lying in human system, can you prove it ?

  How Sycotic miasm and Syphilitic miasm are able to affect the system , do you have any explanation ? How this is called Vital force come in human system and in which way it leaves, can anyone prove ? Don't say me that cause I didn't read and understood Hahnemann's aphorisms that's why I am a neophyte and making foolish comments.

  I have said all the above that all that CAN NOT BE PROVEN. But it means not that Homeopathy is not a working algorithm. But all the hypotheses are given to explain that HOMEOPATHY IS NOT TRUE AND PROVEN.

  So, sticking with same dogmatic and confusing hypothesis and yet emphasizing that they are and can be only true theories for homeopathy is a false message. Second, what Hahnemann has proposed to explain homeopathy 200 years back when no collateral sciences were developed was true and beyond the time of Hahnemann. But what is next ?

  Hahnemann on one hand gave us a system of medicine and on the other hand let us search and dare to be wise.

  
  

  Abdus S:

  Then, why Hahnemann left Allopathy ? Only to establish these hypotheses or laws and make us fool ? If you don't believe why did you choose Homeopathy as your profession?

  Only to contradict the homeopaths ? Why some allopaths converted to homeopathy? Don't they know their science and like these hypothesis ?

  
  

  Ravinder Mann:

  Homeopathy is a simple subject yet not easy to practice. The working algorithm of

  homeopathy is very simple. When a patient want to consult, we note down all the signs

  and symptoms of morbid natures, we make a totality and prescribe the medicine which

  seems most similar with totality.

  When we note down picture of patient, we never write down any note of vital force and

  truth is that we have no scale to meter vital force wither in patient or in prover. Second,

  when we note and took a case completely, the similar medicine which come in picture automatically cover the patient's underlying miasm, if symptoms are Psoric medicine

  which will come in picture will be psoric, if symptoms are of psoric-sycoticm, medicine

  will come in picture will be psoric-sycotic nature. Now point is, if patient is of psoric

  and medicine is coming in view is sycotic then it means totality is false. There is no way to prescribe a medicine that patient is psoric so provide one medicine from psoric group.

  And the theory of miasm, which started from 3 in number is now reached on 10, is not the right theory of underlying causes and diseases.

  So, homeopathy is simply a working phemomena, whose real process of working is still

  to be searched. The present hypothesis are not yet proven so they can not be assumed

  true. This is the reality which we should accept and present in front of not only to our

  coming homeopaths but to all the world. 

  Presenting the hypothesis which can not be proved and yet showing we are adamant on the

  same and want the world to accept our yet unproven things to as scientific concept is not

  possible and make us unreliable with our homeopathy.

  Queston is not why Hahnemann left homeopathy and not this is sufficient that if some

  alloptahs converted to homeopathy, then it means that homeopathy becomes science.

  At time of Hahnemann allopathy was very primitive and crude system of medicine, which he left.

  I am not making fool of anyone but if we are stuck to things without thinking logically and rationally we are becoming ourselves. The right perception is that Homeopathy is in the way to be science, it hypothesis are yet to be proved, maybe the same or maybe some new concepts can come in view when the real concepts will be proved.

  
  

  Haminia :

  Ravinder, I like your last comment the most of all. I wait for the other homeopaths to contradict you. I am sure they don't agree that they practice something that is not science

  in medicine. I am busy now but I will come back to give you a real and proven truth.

  
  

  Abdus S :

  Yes, all the hypothesis are proved by satisfactory out put of our cured cases which are main

  evidence. Who has certified the office of homeopathic doctors as a Polio Detective Center ? Why they certified ? Without avoiding these hypothesis, allopathic docs make up reports of evidence of hoemopathically cured cancer patients, Cerebral aneurysm ( like reports of

  CT SCAN, MRI, Hematological reports and ultrasonography etc. ) nowadays the allopathic doctors are attracted towards Hoemopathy system. Why are they attracted ? Sir, only the evidence based treatments are the prove of all these hypothesis. We get better result from these hypothesis.

  
  

  Ravinder Mann :

  1. I am not saying that Homeopathy is not a science but yet to prove to in full definitions ofscience, but I am saying that the concepts given to describe it are confusing and not proven scientifically. We need to develop new concepts or need to prove those hypothesis to concepts.

  2. Giving examples of cure and journals full of cured cases prove that homeopathy works and a good medical system but not how it works is main question ??

  3. Not a single hypothesis is proved, this is reality. If WHO certifying or allopaths converting is not the fact for science. People converts to religiousness, too. Is that makes

  religion to science ?

  4. There is no doubt that cancer cases, aneurysms, infarctions and mental disorders are

  not curable by homeopathy. I myself have a number of critical cases cured by homeopathy in last 11 years. But still our theories are not proved on scientific basis, and that gives to chance to raise fingers towards Homeopathy, it is the fact.

  5. Unless we will not see, analyse and accept the present scenario around homeopathy we

  will not try to resolve the matter. If we are already convinced that all our Cardinal laws (?)

  are true and proven, then why anyone try to clear the clouds of confusion and unreliability

  surrounding the homeopathy. And this is recurring since beginning of homeopathy.

  6. And my request is not be adamant, listen carefully who are opposing, questioning, raising

  fingers, improve our approach and follow Hahnemann when he says "Be logical and dare to be wise " !

  
  

  Haminia:

  Ravinder, if Vital force is Hypothesis, as you say, you are also just a Hypothesis and we are all just Hypothesis. How can we think of Hypothesis if we are Hypothesis ? As you don't believe in God, the Creator, everything is a Hypothesis in your opinion. Albert Einstein said : " Life can be lived in only two ways - as if Everything is a miracle or as if Nothing is a miracle." What is your choice ? You recognize any science which is "proved" (your favorite word) but if the human beings are just Hypothesis because Nobody proved our Breath and Vital force without which we can not live... You shouldn't ask what is Homeopathy because we belong to the same Hypothesis, as you think. I believe in God and in Vital force ! Vital force is at the basis of all the human beings's Life and of Homeopathy,too. Dr.Hahnemann had a very advanced mind who was able to transcend his time and this time too, as we can see this year 2012 when some homeopaths still ask how homeopathy works and why the homeopathic remedies last permanent when they are correct given to the patient. Homeopathy is the most advanced science of all and this unique gift of healing the people is not for anyone to understand and to practice. My best regards !
  

  
  

  Haminia's written conversation with homeopathic physicians,

  11 January 2012

  
  

  
  

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